Cults

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Introduction
Should I attend an Anthony Robbins Seminar?
Sid Sofos, Martial Arts Instructor
Andrew Sofos, Martial Arts Instructor

 



Introduction:

What is a cult? Wikipedia defines it as the following. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

BlackSpy would describe a cult as a group of people, club, society, organisation or company that conditions, grooms, manipulates people and which also brainwashes people into non-mainstream views (to make their leaders feel better about themselves) or whatever values they claim to represent. Which gives people half truth and does not tell the truth; which has a powerful leader or central figure who all members aspire to be. Who condition members or attendees to hold the same world view for the benefit of the continuation of the cult; who often use their control, pressure, bullying or influence over members to extract sums of money, which is really what many cults are all about, and to do what they say; and who make it difficult to leave. Cults tend to prey on those that are naive, easy influenced, weak willed or those partially indoctrinated already. They may well lure in members with 'carrots' and promises of great things and power or enlightenment and promises of boosting confidence etc. Cults often give the impression to members that they are there to help you and they are if anything doing you a favour. Examples include Christian cults such as The Branch Davidians, Children of God, The Church of Christ. Other examples include The Church of Scientology and Freemasonry. Freemasonry is examined in the Religion - Other section. Clearly some groups are more clearly 'cults' than others, but many groups display cultish characteristics. Not cult ever admits to being a cult. Clearly cults must have some redeeming features or attractive aspects or no one would join them to start with.

The International Cultic Studies Association's web site is shown below. It contains reference material and support groups for ex-members of a wide variety of national and international cults.

http://icsahome.com

London's Cult Information Centre (CIC) web site is shown below.

www.cultinformation.org.uk/faq.html

Below are some other miscellaneous web sites about cults, secular and religious.

www.religioustolerance.org/cultmenu.htm

www.howcultswork.com

Below are two examples of cultish groups of varying degrees, that BlackSpy has personal experience of.

The first, Anthony Robbins and his self-development seminars, are clearly not a 'cult', but have certain manipulative qualities and encourage participants to part with large sums of cash when they are at their most vulnerable and 'conditioned'. Perhaps this is done with good intentions! One may regard intensive self-help conditioning as a great learning tool or brainwashing depending on which way you want to look at it. BlackSpy lists the pros and cons of the seminar below.

Also mentioned are two instructors of a now defunct martial arts school in London, The Wing Chun Boxing Academy, which was most definitely a cult. BlackSpy is merely relaying his personal experiences of these two. The detail regarding The Wing Chun Boxing Academy covers both flaws in techique, cultish type behaviour and also information relating to both Sid and Andrew Sofos and their character and exploits. It is not intended to be small minded, petty or bitchy, but is included to provide an insight into how they were, good and bad, and why things were the way they were, and why things escalated and got out of hand.

It is clearly a grey area, but the spirit of the information here is not point scoring and personal vendetta, but to point out facts that people may want to consider when evaluating these organisations and individuals. This page is clearly at odds with the positive (hopefully!) theme and concept of the rest of the web site, and BlackSpy may take a view to removing it completely in the future.

BlackSpy respects people's right to make up their own minds and that they may not agree with everything written on this page, but has tried to be as impartial as possible, mentioning both positive and negative characteristics. It could be argued that by writing about these examples, BlackSpy is doing them a favour by focussing everyone's attention on them and providing free advertising, which is not of course what BlackSpy wants to achieve. If you focus on a person in this way, what may often happen is that rather than question them, you may actually give them significance, and perpetuate their power over people and fear amongst people (which gives them power). It could be argued that it is 'bad karma' or the last thing you want to do if you subscribe to the concept of the 'law of attraction' (i.e. focus on what you don't want, then you get what you don't want rather than what you actually want!) And for victims of such cults, focussing on them and continually reminding oneself of them can be extremely negative and prevent closure. This is the trouble with the conspirazoid movement, it perpetuates notions of governments being all powerful, and makes readers of these theories feel helpless and disempowered, which is supposedly the opposite of what they intend to achieve. Whether the actual theories in question are true or not is an entirely different matter! If these cultish people were just ignored and not mentioned, and therefore not talked about, then it might be better for everyone. But where such people are widely praised, then it is one's duty to inform others of both sides of the story. The purpose of this section as stated is to just state the facts for those with an academic interest in these areas, current members, those thinking of joining, and ex-members who wish to share personal experience and affirm their suspicions and feel listened to.

BlackSpy does not intend this page to be interpreted as an attack on those people who are members of these cults or organisations, or who are affiliated with them or associate with them in any capacity. People are entitled to their own beliefs, ideas and values. It is really intended to take a stark look at the organisations themselves, that present themselves inconsistently or dishonestly. BlackSpy personally wishes any member of a 'cult' the strength to break away and do his own thing and not be controlled, conditioned or influenced by anyone in this manner. BlackSpy respects the right of people to belong to whatever club or organisation that they want to, as ultimately it comes down to freedom of choice.

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Should I attend an Anthony Robbins Seminar?

BlackSpy thinks so. Unleash The Power Within (aka UPW) is an excellent seminar with many useful tools. However, it is far from perfect. Is it possible to give a perfect seminar covering both psychology and health issues? Is it indeed possible to create a perfect web site covering both areas?! With 6000-8000 people attending each seminar, BlackSpy believes that people should take in some other views on the seminar and make up their own mind. BlackSpy lists the pros and cons below (based on 2002-2006 course content) based on his own values, beliefs, observations, knowledge and experiences. This is a general discourse raising some points that could perhaps improve the seminar and reduce its weak or questionnable areas.



PROS:

CONS:


'Living Health' - Health Mastery or Health Destruction?


The useful parts of the presentation are:




The erroneous parts of the presentation are:


The glaring omissions of the presentation are:

BlackSpy has been reliably informed that Tony Robbins has decided to update the Living Health part of the seminar, which unofficially has been due to the increasing number of complaints about this section of the seminar. A revised Living Health seminar is scheduled for Q3 2006 onwards. The UPW seminar may not however be continuing for very much longer in any case. Catch the seminar whilst you can!


A Final Word on Anthony Robbins Europe:

The promotion and ticket sales company in Europe for Tony Robbins company seminars is Medwestern Lifestyle Events Ltd (formerly known as Tree Event Management Ltd (www.TonyRobbinsEurope.com), based in Cyprus. This company is just like any other, it is selling you a product. There is nothing wrong with commerce and selling good products to people who want them. This is what drives the world's economy. Contrary to what their sales people tell you however, they are not there to be your friend and they don't love you, even if they say they are. They just want to sell you as many seminars as possible and maximise their profits. Indeed, some level of real friendship may develop or exist or coincide, but ultimately the core goal is to make moeny. If their sales people don't make enough money, they get fired, just like anywhere else. And when they make a sale, they get a commission. Unfortunately, any good sales organisation should be familiar with its own products and embody the values of it products. Whatever the brochure or catalogue says, they should honour. This is being professional.

This can't be said however about Medwestern Lifestyle Events Ltd in many cases. They do not share the values stated by Tony Robbins in his own seminars. They certainly are not aware of the sales techniques and 'genuine, sincere and caring salesmanship' espoused by Tony Robbins in his Power to Influence Seminar as a whole, although there are exceptions (sales people who are nice guys and give you good customer service, even if they don't quite practice what they are selling). As you can see in the influence section, which certain parts BlackSpy can credit to Tony Robbins ideas in his now defunct Power To Influence (PTI) seminar, a good sales person builds rapport with his potential customers and embarks on a lifelong, sincere friendship. He is there to genuinely help the customers by fulfilling a genuine need with a good product or service, and meeting real needs in a caring and genuine manner.

A bad sales person is not sincere and allows the customer see through their words and feigned sincerity. He allows his greed for commission and desire to retain profits to be visible to the customer. He reveals that he is not really interested in helping you, but just making as many sales as possible and maximising profits, regardless of who you are and what you really want.

Medwestern Lifestyle Events have chosen their sales model, and instruct their sales staff on what deals and packages they should offer, and how the tickets can be sold. Buy one, get one 'free' is often their chosen style, but invariably leads to massive ebay sales at low prices which is unfair on the people who paid full price for their tickets (either buy one get one free price, or individual ticket prices).

Medwestern Lifestyle Events' sales team in many cases consists of below average sales staff who ride off the back of the enthusiasm of seminar attendees, make out they are fully acquainted with Tony Robbins' philosophy and teachings in their communications, and use every cheap trick in the book to sell you more seminars. Such poor sales technique and fixation with profits rather a genuine care for their customers is surely contradictory to Tony Robbins' own values? Surely Tony Robbins' seminars are 'solutions' rather than low denomination products similar to 'double glazing', and require a more intelligent solution selling approach? Perhaps they ought to attend one of their own seminars.

BlackSpy doubts that Tony Robbins is particularly bothered by all this, as he nets an enormous income through regional sales from his affiliated sales organisations. Does he really care about you as he says he does in his seminars? Why does he repeat his seminar almost word for word each time, without improving or changing the content significantly? Why does he not address many of the areas discussed above on this page? These are not exactly secrets amongst seminar goers. Would he allow a rather incompetent 'Living Health' segment to be taught to seminar goers if he was really did? Is Tony Robbins perfect or a 'mere mortal' trying help people who is subject to moments of selfish behaviour, greed, narrow focus and making errors of judgement/incompetence just like the rest of us? Who is to say. You decide. BlackSpy is not sure you can ever expect perfection from a psychology or health-related book, seminar or web site, but the spirit of continual improvement, honesty and willingness to listen should be there. In a sense it is irrelevant if we personally like everything about Tony Robbins, as we are only interested in his seminar and how we experience it, but BlackSpy believes it is important to have a high level of respect and to trust the person giving the seminar to avoid cynicism and inhibitions creeping in and preventing you from getting the best of the experience (for your money). BlackSpy encourages people to attend NLP and other good psychology seminars that they like the sound of (including perhaps UPW) and to learn and use what works best for them.

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Sid Sofos, Martial Arts Instructor:

http://grandmastersidsofos.com

BlackSpy trained with 'Master' Sid Sofos back in the early to mid 90s. In total training with Sid's school and his brother Andrew's school for 5 years, attaining assistant instructor status (BlackSpy was near top of the class during his latter training years). Sid's school was called Fatshan. Andrew's school was called Shaoshan. The academy which both schools belonged to was called Wing Chun Boxing Academy. Sid trained new students up to senior instructor level. Andrew's school was designed for beginners and intermediates only, as Andrew was himself a student of Sid in his senior class at Fatshan. The top students at Shaoshan would then be selected to move over to Fatshan to train with Sid. BlackSpy trained at Shaoshan for roughly 4 years and at Fatshan for roughly 1 year or so.

Whilst at the academy, BlackSpy secretly attended a number of seminars by actual students of Yip Man, including Grandmaster William Cheung and Grandmaster Yip Chun, son of Yip Man, to experience other styles of Wing Chun. After finally leaving the Wing Chun Boxing Academy, BlackSpy joined another school (a different style of Wing Chun Kung Fu - affiliated to Samuel Kwok, in 1996) and was almost bettered at Chi Sau by a student had only been training for just 3 weeks! Sid/Andrew's chi sau was lacking in break out moves and has a forward energy that rendered it highly detectable. The instructor of the class was very happy when I walked that night for the first time and said that I had done Wing Chun for 5 years and wanted to train, as his class was comprised of beginners. We did some chi sau and sparring, and he took me apart. I didn't understand what was going on as he was terminating his strikes. I then explained how I'd trained before, and he said that yes we could do it this way (went into brief and rapid freefighting), but he said there was no point as it was good for flow but wasn't actually achieving very much. It was clear at this moment how the structure and technique BlackSpy had learnt was highly flawed. Since leaving, there has happened much with the Sofos brothers, including a big argument and falling out, whereupon the two brothers ceased contact and run separate schools. Some of Sid's senior instructors set up their own schools and called themselves 'Sifu'. Below are some of the issues BlackSpy had with Sid Sofos during his time there:


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Andrew Sofos, Martial Arts Instructor:

www.sas-martialarts.co.uk/Pages/Academy/Branches/head_office.htm